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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

I will go with the obvious-All Along the Watchtower
I felt this was powerful until it got overplayed
They lacked flexibility as far as where to play it
(always post drumz)
and I think that is why it got old pretty quick.
But the first six months they were playing Watchtower it was blazing!
One could also say that the Dead's version was more in line with the Hendrix version of the tune.

This post was modified by Chris Freedom on 2007-02-23 14:58:39

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Poster: waynecs Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

Baby Blue- maybe cause they did it the longest they really had it down,other than Jers lyrical flubs and he couldn't even remember his own songs so what do you expect?

also JGB really did Simple Twist of Fate well.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

If you go into Garcia band and covering Dylan tunes we might need a new thread.

A Train to Cry- that was a surprise one night at MSG for me, in fact that was a Branford night. but i think they had played that one way back in 1973 at RFK.(Yeah one of you guys talked about that)

What about Memphis Blues ? I enjoyed that tune I think it was easier for Bobby than Desolation Row and they seemed to get a lift when they played it.



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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 23, 2007 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

Seemed memphis Blues and even desolation fell out of regular rotation. Too bad. Queen jane and masterpiece overkill started creeping in around 93. And yes, I love tom thumbs blues. Probably my fav Phil solo lead vocal tune

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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

Good morning, Chris.

I hope you were able to read what I posted last night in an attempt to pull myself out of the gutter of degradation in which I wallowed yesterday. No hard feelings?

To answer the question, I have to put in my vote for Baby Blue. It was a mainstay of the repertoire pretty much from the beginning, and as the years went by, it took on a familiarity for Jerry kind of like one of those comfortable old pairs of shoes that you slip on every now and then just because they feel so good. Eventually, it was reserved pretty exclusively for the encore slot, if, in fact, without variance from that position in the setlist. What a great encore it was, too: when he was really in his zone, "forget about the 'Dead' you left, they will not follow you" never failed to make the hair on the back of my neck stand at attention.
Visions of Johanna was pretty special, too, partly because it was seldom performed, but also because Garcia's interpretation gave it a whole new feel beyond how Bob did it on Blonde on Blonde. The original is almost comical in its delivery, whereas Jerry gave it a poignancy that is absent from Dylan's version.
Poignant as well is Queen Jane Approximately, my personal favorite among Weir's Dylan covers. Honorable mention goes to She Belongs to Me from the Backstage Pass video: acoustic, black & white, Jerry, Bob, and Phil-very sweet!
And as far as putting the headphones on for Joey, I may very well have a surviving vinyl copy of Dylan & The Dead and will put it on my list of things to do over the weekend.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

It takes a train to laugh...with Dickey Betts 73 @ RFK many other times with JGB.

Positively 4th St. - JGB At the Keystone, and even with a dubbed mandolin solo. Sublime.

Tom Thumbs Blues...Phil singing...(ouch).

Knockin On Heavens Door...overplayed by every garage band in the country, no exception here.

Tales Of Yankee Power...Execeptional JGB

...It's too bad that the whole Dylan & the Dead thing was such a fiasco, coulda woulda shoulda been great.

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

A personal favorite of mine is She Belongs To Me. Jerry poured his heart into it.

There is a commercial release of Garcia Plays Dylan that is absolutely worth listening to. Has things ranging from the Dead to Garcia Band to Legion of Mary.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

Top 2 for me.......

Desolation Row

Visions of Johanna

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Poster: darkstar92772 Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

How's about Queen Jane Approximately?

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

Hey 'Dark Star' I often found this a good tune to try to romance the fairer sex although many diss this tune as a bathroom break song

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

I know what didn't work was Desolation Row...Bobby just didn't have the chops to sustain it for as many verses as it contains...to be fair Dylan couldn't do it justice to his own 1965 definitive rendition on Highway 61....

I loved Jerry doing Baby Blue, but another success was the version of MAGGIE'S FARM in which all the different band members grabbed a verse.

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Poster: deadhead27 Date: Feb 23, 2007 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

If you want to hear an amazing 'Desolation Row', check out Dylan's Bootleg Series vol.4 1966. I don't think anyone could find a better version.



My favorite has to be JGB's 'Simple Twist Of Fate' it doesn't get much better than that.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

I was always rather partial to When I Paint My Masterpiece myself.

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Poster: Ellis Van Sofa Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

i prefer when Jerry sang Masterpiece. did he ever do it with the Dead?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

The Dead performed Masterpiece on well over a hundred occasions and as far as I'm aware it was always Bobby who took the lead vocal.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:46am
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Yeah, but Jerry would come in on the chorus and it was great!
They did Masterpiece on Letterman too. (Just Bob & Jerry)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:51am
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JGB is the place to get Dylan tunes from Jerry.

Positively 4th Street was especially grand.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:52am
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Chris, old son, not wishing to nitpick, but saying that someone took the lead does not preclude someone else from chipping in on the chorus.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:55am
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agreed, I was glad Jerry contributed something vocally to that song especially since he was already doing it with JGB

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

I always enjoyed JGB doing Tangled Up in Blue. I think the liner notes to the Kean College JGB release mentions that Dylan found Garcia to be the best interpreter of his works. And, as I've posted before, I love what Dylan said about Jerry when he died:

"There's no way to measure his greatness or magnitude as a person or as a player. I don't think eulogizing will do him justice. He was that great - much more than a superb musician with an uncanny ear and dexterity. He is the very spirit personified of whatever is muddy river country at its core and screams up into the spheres. He really had no equal. To me he wasn't only a musician and friend, he was more like a big brother who taught and showed me more than he'll ever know. There are a lot of spaces and advances between the Carter Family, Buddy Holly and, say, Ornette Coleman, a lot of universes, but he filled them all without being a member of any school. His playing was moody, awesome, sophisticated, hypnotic and subtle. There's no way to convey the loss. It just digs down really deep." - Bob Dylan on Jerry Garcia's passing

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:22am
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Thanks for re-posting that, BD....

I think it speaks volumes that Dylan, who of course was a brilliant lyricist but often couldn't put together a coherent thought or sentence in an interview, was so eloquent on the subject of Garcia.

he sums up the man's career, influence, and spiritual importance perfectly.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:21am
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Great post Bluedevil !
I am speechless

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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what Dylan tunes worked for the Dead?

Someone posed a question a few days ago, and pardon me for not remembering who it was, regarding how it is that Garcia has never gotten the acknowledgment he deserves as one of the great guitarists of his generation (I objectively think he WAS the greatest, with all due respect to Messrs. Hendrix, Page, Clapton, et. al., but I never felt any of them could hold a candle to Jerry's mastery of so many different styles and genres-let me have it, Jimi, Jimmy, and Eric fans). Dylan's tribute here to him should be required reading for all of the pinheads at VH1 and elsewhere who constantly insist on pigeonholing Jerry, and anyone else in the field of entertainment, for their own goal of producing their pointless Top 100 countdowns and other claptrap to fill air space.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 23, 2007 9:15am
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I love EC and am very excited to see him on 3/18 in San Jose - the last night Derek Trucks will be in the band and doing the Duane imitations for the Derek & Dominoes' songs. That said, I'm in 100% agreement with Bryan E in that I can't think of anyone that covers the musical terrain Jerry did. Perhaps a Ry Cooder or David Lindley type merits mention, but Jer was the best for giving you a complete overview of American musical styles within the course of an evening. Those Lunt Funtane shows still bring a smile to my face. . .

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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 23, 2007 9:23am
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And don't get me wrong, either, because I love all those guys. If I dare say so, I think Page is the most well-rounded of that triumvirate. Jimi was exceptionally innovative, influencing almost anyone who picked up an electric guitar after Purple Haze first hit the airwaves. As a showman, perhaps he had no equal. And blues? Please! Eric's finesse as a blues man speaks for itself-he just gets better and better, plus his respect for those that came before him distinguishes him as a deeply intelligent player, too. Page, though, covered SO much ground in Zeppelin. Jimi and Eric perhaps had/have the upper hand in playing blues with a smoother overall technique, and Eric has given us wonderful ballads such as Tears in Heaven, but Jimmy dabbled in different folk elements that are virtually absent from the work of Clapton and Hendrix, while also able to produce work that was intensely powerful, dynamic and dramatic. If that's your cup of tea, I challenge you to find someone worthy of more praise. And no, Jerry played no metal-one of the few styles that apparently did not interest him-but beyond that . . . well, do I really need to sell anyone here on the notion that Jerry Garcia wasn't too shabby in his own right?

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 10:27am
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Jerry may not have played metal but the guys in Iron Maiden were big fans of the dead. I had a picture of them in dead shirts when they played N.Y.C.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:46am
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baby blue and I really loved She belongs to me. Wished they kept it in rotation

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:20am
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top 2

She Belongs to Me
Visions if Johanna

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:48am
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Those are two really good choices, Jerry really shined on both those tunes.
They did a couple of She Belongs to Me in 85 on the East Coast that were incredible.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 23, 2007 8:20am
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Ballad of a thin man

I'm trying to pick my favorite of the 2 that Bobby sang >>
http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-03-27

http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-04-01.sbd-matrix.braverman.11264.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Ellis Van Sofa Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:06am
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you missed the other obvious one.

It's All Over Now, Baby Blue.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 23, 2007 7:03am
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yeah! It seemed like they did not play that one very often but I caught one in Hampton and it was intense. I had never heard the tune before and it was so powerful I was getting a little paranoid listening to Bobby sing it.